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Andrew

So, is there any way to get involved with this since I guess normal members weren't invited to this initiative? (I certainly never saw mention of it except for finding this via. some random *twitter* thing). You can contact me by email if that's easier to say "yes" or "no" privately.

Basically, I foresee a general IGDA trend of a "nice start, interested people, no activity", so it's worth me asking now, not when a call for volunteers goes out whenever. This is true even of Writer initiatives, but is pretty much the IGDA as a whole.

I put some ideas on Darius' blog actually (which he didn't even seem to know of this work, going to show that active prospective board candidates don't even know the IGDA is looking at this!), most of which are mentioned here, although I'm troubled that "active workload" and "legal issues" seems to always rear it's head for something as simple as questions, interviews and forum threads.

I find it funny how actually if I'm not allowed to get involved (for whatever reason) I might be able to do more just as a member without approval then anything the board approves, which is also kind of sad right? :(

Andrea

Hi, Andrew. I AM basically just a regular member who is frustrated by the voting process. I run the ARG SIG, sure, but in this respect that doesn't give me any particular weight. I'm not on the Board, I plan to never be on the Board, and I have no special commission or authority granted from the Board (or anyone else, for that matter). I'm just another IGDA member trying to fix a perceived problem. I'm spearheading this because... well... basically, because nobody else stepped up, and it needs doing.

I'm trying very hard not to be offended by your implication that this is some kind of secret conspiracy intended to lock members out. If that were the case, I certainly wouldn't be putting the actual log of proceedings out there on my blog for everybody to see.

I started talking about this initiative three weeks ago, set up this meeting one week ago, and sent out the date and time as widely as I could. Unfortunately, since I am just a regular member with no real authority, all I could do was post about it to my blog, to Twitter, and to the SIGS-Admin list, and ask people to spread the message. There's no intentional exclusion; anyone who cares to show up to the meetings and volunteer to take on one of the action items at the end is welcome.

Obviously as a regular member, I don't have as much reach as, say, the official IGDA newsletter. If you didn't hear about it, well then, that would be why. I did the best I could with what resources I have.

For all that, I promise you, word got to Darius about it; in fact, he was one of the very few responders I got regarding a good meeting time. If you read the log, you'll notice he was in the meeting (until he chose to recuse himself.)

If you'd like to be involved, then just say that next time, OK? Don't jump from the gate with complaints that you weren't invited to the party and a prediction that we're doomed to apathy and failure anyway. I'm doing the best job I can, and if you're really interested in helping to fix this small, broken part of the IGDA, the way to do that is by volunteering, and by supporting the efforts of the people who are actually trying to solve something.

Andrew

I'm not dooming this specific thing to doom ;) it's just generally seems to be what happens in a large amount of IGDA activities, sadly :(

You should have got it on the IGDA news feed - that's Joda's department, and there's always the forums too which I infrequently check :) Maybe get a forum thread up now and get Joda to post a news article pointing to that URL for feedback, might be useful.

I'm also volunteering now (if it wasn't obvious before with my rather dry tone I was volunteering then, just I did feel a bit cheated not knowing - obviously not on the fault of yourself, but the IGDA's general lack of ability to contact its members legally, as you well know certain issues...), but I still need to know how I can help! I hope this doesn't get bogged down, and at least want to foot some administrative effort even if I'm not deemed necessary to do any decision making or other work, since that's how it goes sometime.

I am involved heavily in the Preservation SIG, trying desperately to get students involved in the Students SIG, and giving a hand to the QoL efforts. I am involved, just not in this area, and I am happy to help. I am still worried about the board approval/legal issues side - an election can't really function if it's a muted one, but we can do what we can, right?

Andrew

Also, sorry. Sorry I came out - re-reading my comment it wasn't what I intended (as read, rather then intent as written), apologies from me on that regard.

Andrew

Woe is an edit button - "Sorry I came out" should be "Sorry I came out saying my first comment". Sorry for being sorry in such a ...worrying way.

Andrea

Hi, Andrew, sorry to leave you hanging -- I took the weekend off from the internet. It's good for the sanity every once in a while. (And then it took me *all day long* to finish this comment. Sheesh. Doubly sorry!)

Thanks for volunteering, Andrew. I think we're going to be putting together an email list for this effort, and I'll see about getting you added in.

I won't let this get bogged down even if it involves quite a lot of squeaking and elbow grease on my part. And I think there's a lot of general support for most of the things we're looking at doing, so... I have a good reserve of optimism going. ^_^

Andrew

I'd be proud to help someone who has optimism about IGDA activities :) I don't actually hear that word used very often, for some reason :(

A mailing list sounds good, post about it when it's available (or email me/add me to it).

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